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as most of you know is the umbrella term

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for telepathy clairvoyance and

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precognition

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so this theory of super size it's super

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by the fact that it would require a

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level

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and skill in psi never before shown

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in any any laboratory so the medium

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would be

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performing super um telepathy

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clairvoyance and precognition

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um dr alan gold who wrote a book in 1982

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called mediumship and survival a century

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of investigation said

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if there were no evidence at all for esp

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or telepathy

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psy the case for survival could well be

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much stronger than it is

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people parapsychologists who have seen

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all the evidence for

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telepathy clairvoyance and precognition

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find super psy as the most

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um as the explanation that best

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describes best supports

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the the data the mediumship data because

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they they understand

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um what's possible and that of course

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the mediums are just getting this stuff

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um

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out from the liv the living minds of uh

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minds of living people you know remote

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viewing your grandma's attic

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whatever to get their information so um

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there's this other quote patricia b

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mcconnell is an animal

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behaviorist she doesn't have anything to

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do with survival but i think this

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is a good quote just because an

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explanation makes us feel good doesn't

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mean it can't be true

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so just because we like to think it

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would be nice if there was life after

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death that doesn't

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prevent it from actually being true

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so that was proof focused research so

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we'll move on to process focused

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where we look at the medium's

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experiences so at this point we can't

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no matter how much proof focused

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research we collected

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we still couldn't distinguish between

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survival and these psy

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explanations but if you simply ask a

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that's their experience with the two

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they know what psy feels like they do

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it's very different than their

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experiences during

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what they're calling communication with

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the dead

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so we wanted to systematically look at

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that in the lab

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so when you ask a medium these are the

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types of things that they say

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when a spirit these are dry coats when a

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spirit is specifically there i can feel

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them energetically

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my body feels them psychically i will

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feel information coming from a person

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spiritually i will feel a presence in

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the room

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and a psychic reading is like reading a

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book and a mediumship reading is like

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seeing a play

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so they experience the two as very very

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so um to address this we did a

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quantitative study

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published in the austrian australian

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journal parapsychology i work

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with a colleague adam rock um adam's in

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uh at deakin university in australia so

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we did this quantitative

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analysis of mediums experiences during a

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reading versus just a control

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task just a normal state so we did a

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reading and then just them having a chat

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with me on the phone about a living

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person that they knew that served as

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the control and we used the instrument

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consciousness inventory and it's a

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quantitative measure and it and it puts

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a number on it quantifies

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so i just have a few up here um

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but what we saw was the uh i'm

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pushing the button there it is um

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negative affects so negative emotions

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were higher in the reading condition

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than in the control condition so mediums

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were experiencing

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negative emotions and that seems odd at

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what they're experiencing are people you

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there's oft there's obviously grief

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of the discarded with the sitter

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there's nothing to to feel to experience

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a negative emotion um they also had an

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uh altered sense of time during the

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so time they lost track of time

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and then in the opposite we saw higher

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numbers in the control condition for

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mediumship reading so

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the questions in the pci that address

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that are things like you know

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volitional control over it

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memory of the what had happened during

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um that's indicative of you know they're

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as a medium they're just a channel for

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information coming from the other side

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it's not their thoughts so they have no

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whatever while they do a reading i say

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wait can you go back what did you say

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then they say i don't i don't remember

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qualitative investigation where we asked

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possible their experiences during a

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discarnate so

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communication and suddenly here inside

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journal parapsychology it's a

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more theoretical paper addressing the

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where we propose a study

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a quantitative study using the pci where

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they're alive or dead and we discuss at

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regardless of where the information is

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so at the end of the day we don't care

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how it works we don't care why it works

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how can it help people so

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bill and bill lost an infant son to a

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30 years later he lost a grown son in a

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motorcycle accident and bill said after

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the devastating loss of two sons this

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work has proven to me that we survived

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the death of our bodies

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and has made my life not only bearable

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and i think that's a really powerful

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quote has made my life not only bearable

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like his life was unbearable to be alive

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and then he got some mediumship readings

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and then his life was worth living again